>>17
Hace sentido si usas con ";" para unir las dos frases, por ejemplo:

Mi waifu nunca sera de carne y hueso; debería suicidarme.

>>18
Me dijeron por ahí que igual era una muerte dolorosa, según la wiki ASH el Nembutal (Pentobarbital) es más efectivo, pero tienes que conseguírtelo con un veterinario porque ya no se vende a personas (se usa para sacrificar animales).

>>21
Si consideras un dolor de cabeza, vomitar, o cualquiero otro sintoma de intoxicación por CO, peor es colgarte del cuello. El dolor de apretar la garganta es peor.

Pero, yo creo que el problema ahí es el de no saber como suicidarse, pienso que depende de la cantidad de CO al que se exponga. Además, la inyección de nembutal, no sería muy distinto a una sobredosis de anestesia. El problema es siempre como conseguirlos, aunque esto no excluye el CO, que puedes producirlo con un auto encendido mientras está detenido (en ASH lo explican paso a paso).

No es posible conseguir Nembutal a través de la darknet? Además, mi papá es veterinario pero no sé como meterme a su bodega a buscarlo.

>>22
pensaba saltar desde un metro o dos y romperme el cuello...

>>24
Si hablas del metro de santiago, no vas a morir. El metro va frenando cuando viene llegando a la estación, y aunque te tiraras en la mitad la hueá no anda tan rápido.

Tendrías que tirarte a una línea donde pasan esos trenes azules express que andan rajados, ahi te reventay.

Anda a Japón a suicidarte w

>>22
No cacho de esto pero sirve con los catalíticos? No hay riesgo de explosión ni nada?

>>27
En las noticias nunca especifican el modelo del auto.

http://www.soychile.cl/Valparaiso/Policial/2011/05/06/13022/Un-sujeto-se-suicido-conectando-una-manguera-al-tubo-de-escape-de-su-auto.aspx

>>26
Esto, juntas plata, paseas, visitas akiba y luego para cerrar con broche de oro: te suicidas tirandote a alguna linea de metro famosa, como la yamanote

>>24
no, me pongo una soga al cuello y me lanzo por la ventana, dejo que sobre harta cuerda para que el jalon me rompa el cuello, muerte instantanea y hermosa

>>29
iria al bosque de Aokigahara c:

>>25
fijo que el metro te mata si te tirai en la entrada o al medio...

No quiero trabajar, vine a decir eso

>>29
Es genial ese bosque.
>>32
Nunca he entendido a la gente que disfruta de trabajar, ni siquiera los que dicen trabajar en algo que les gusta, por muy artístico que sea, todo agrado se desvanece apenas la compulsión se asoma.

>>27
No cacho mucho de mecánica, ni química, pero, te diría que un auto catalítico usa un sistema que reduce los gases nocivos, uno de ellos es el CO, convirtiendolo en CO2, por medio de oxidación del mismo. Lo demás se convierte también a CO2 y agua (vapor?), me parece. Un auto convencional sería la opción más lógica. PERO, si quieres hacerlo con un auto catalítico, podrías probar en sacarle el convertidor catalitico, si al final, de todo el "set" de componentes, el convertidor es el que hacer el 80-70% de la reducción de gas.

>>33
>Nunca he entendido a la gente que disfruta de trabajar
Yo creo que la gente termina rindiéndose y se obliga a pensar que es entretenido gastar gran parte de tu vida en una actividad monótona sólo porque te llega plata todos los meses que deberás gastar en caras necesidades que el mismo sistema te ha creado.

>>35
Pero es que también depende del trabajo pos hueón.

>>36
No conozco un trabajo que no te quite gran parte de tu vida y te chupe el alma en el proceso, lo más cercano que encuentro es ser freelancer.

El único problema que tengo con los trabajos es la diferencia entre el que gana más y el que gana menos.

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>>33,35
>Nunca he entendido a la gente que disfruta de trabajar
Creo que disfrutar de trabajar tiene que ver con el "proceso de poder"; para algunas personas su trabajo es su "actividad sustituta" para pasar por el proceso de poder, pero para la mayoria es insuficiente. No creo que sea algo que se pueda explicar en pocas palabras, para entenderlo bien hay que leer el manifiesto de FC. Eso si, debo advertir que la traducción al español del manifiesto es bastante mala, bordeando en la desinformación.

Aqui hay algunos extractos:

[PAPIRO WARNING]

The power process

33. Human beings have a need (probably based in biology) for something that we will call the “power process.” This is closely related to the need for power (which is widely recognized) but is not quite the same thing. The power process has four elements. The three most clear-cut of these we call goal, effort and attainment of goal. (Everyone needs to have goals whose attainment requires effort, and needs to succeed in attaining at least some of his goals.) The fourth element is more difficult to define and may not be necessary for everyone. We call it autonomy and will discuss it later (paragraphs 42–44).

34. Consider the hypothetical case of a man who can have anything he wants just by wishing for it. Such a man has power, but he will develop serious psychological problems. At first he will have a lot of fun, but by and by he will become acutely bored and demoralized. Eventually he may become clinically depressed. History shows that leisured aristocracies tend to become decadent. This is not true of fighting aristocracies that have to struggle to maintain their power. But leisured, secure aristocracies that have no need to exert themselves usually become bored, hedonistic and demoralized, even though they have power. This shows that power is not enough. One must have goals toward which to exercise one’s power.

35. Everyone has goals; if nothing else, to obtain the physical necessities of life: food, water and whatever clothing and shelter are made necessary by the climate. But the leisured aristocrat obtains these things without effort. Hence his boredom and demoralization.

36. Nonattainment of important goals results in death if the goals are physical necessities, and in frustration if nonattainment of the goals is compatible with survival. Consistent failure to attain goals throughout life results in defeatism, low self-esteem or depression.

37. Thus, in order to avoid serious psychological problems, a human being needs goals whose attainment requires effort, and he must have a reasonable rate of success in attaining his goals.

Surrogate activities

38. But not every leisured aristocrat becomes bored and demoralized. For example, the emperor Hirohito, instead of sinking into decadent hedonism, devoted himself to marine biology, a field in which he became distinguished. When people do not have to exert themselves to satisfy their physical needs they often set up artificial goals for themselves. In many cases they then pursue these goals with the same energy and emotional involvement that they otherwise would have put into the search for physical necessities. Thus the aristocrats of the Roman Empire had their literary pretensions; many European aristocrats a few centuries ago invested tremendous time and energy in hunting, though they certainly didn’t need the meat; other aristocracies have competed for status through elaborate displays of wealth; and a few aristocrats, like Hirohito, have turned to science.

39. We use the term “surrogate activity” to designate an activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that people set up for themselves merely in order to have some goal to work toward, or let us say, merely for the sake of the “fulfillment” that they get from pursuing the goal. Here is a rule of thumb for the identification of surrogate activities. Given a person who devotes much time and energy to the pursuit of goal X, ask yourself this: If he had to devote most of his time and energy to satisfying his biological needs, and if that effort required him to use his physical and mental facilities in a varied and interesting way, would he feel seriously deprived because he did not attain goal X? If the answer is no, then the person’s pursuit of a goal X is a surrogate activity. Hirohito’s studies in marine biology clearly constituted a surrogate activity, since it is pretty certain that if Hirohito had had to spend his time working at interesting non-scientific tasks in order to obtain the necessities of life, he would not have felt deprived because he didn’t know all about the anatomy and life-cycles of marine animals. On the other hand the pursuit of sex and love (for example) is not a surrogate activity, because most people, even if their existence were otherwise satisfactory, would feel deprived if they passed their lives without ever having a relationship with a member of the opposite sex. (But pursuit of an excessive amount of sex, more than one really needs, can be a surrogate activity.)

40. In modern industrial society only minimal effort is necessary to satisfy one’s physical needs. It is enough to go through a training program to acquire some petty technical skill, then come to work on time and exert very modest effort needed to hold a job. The only requirements are a moderate amount of intelligence, and most of all, simple obedience. If one has those, society takes care of one from cradle to grave. (Yes, there is an underclass that cannot take physical necessities for granted, but we are speaking here of mainstream society.) Thus it is not surprising that modern society is full of surrogate activities. These include scientific work, athletic achievement, humanitarian work, artistic and literary creation, climbing the corporate ladder, acquisition of money and material goods far beyond the point at which they cease to give any additional physical satisfaction, and social activism when it addresses issues that are not important for the activist personally, as in the case of white activists who work for the rights of nonwhite minorities. These are not always pure surrogate activities, since for many people they may be motivated in part by needs other than the need to have some goal to pursue. Scientific work may be motivated in part by a drive for prestige, artistic creation by a need to express feelings, militant social activism by hostility. But for most people who pursue them, these activities are in large part surrogate activities. For example, the majority of scientists will probably agree that the “fulfillment” they get from their work is more important than the money and prestige they earn.

41. For many if not most people, surrogate activities are less satisfying than the pursuit of real goals (that is, goals that people would want to attain even if their need for the power process were already fulfilled). One indication of this is the fact that, in many or most cases, people who are deeply involved in surrogate activities are never satisfied, never at rest. Thus the money-maker constantly strives for more and more wealth. The scientist no sooner solves one problem than he moves on to the next. The long-distance runner drives himself to run always farther and faster. Many people who pursue surrogate activities will say that they get far more fulfillment from these activities than they do from the “mundane” business of satisfying their biological needs, but that it is because in our society the effort needed to satisfy the biological needs has been reduced to triviality. More importantly, in our society people do not satisfy their biological needs autonomously but by functioning as parts of an immense social machine. In contrast, people generally have a great deal of autonomy in pursuing their surrogate activities.

>>42
Es una buena teoría, pero no puedo encontrar autorrealización en obligaciones.

Autonomy

42. Autonomy as a part of the power process may not be necessary for every individual. But most people need a greater or lesser degree of autonomy in working toward their goals. Their efforts must be undertaken on their own initiative and must be under their own direction and control. Yet most people do not have to exert this initiative, direction and control as single individuals. It is usually enough to act as a member of a small group. Thus if half a dozen people discuss a goal among themselves and make a successful joint effort to attain that goal, their need for the power process will be served. But if they work under rigid orders handed down from above that leave them no room for autonomous decision and initiative, then their need for the power process will not be served. The same is true when decisions are made on a collective basis if the group making the collective decision is so large that the role of each individual is insignificant.[5]

43. It is true that some individuals seem to have little need for autonomy. Either their drive for power is weak or they satisfy it by identifying themselves with some powerful organization to which they belong. And then there are unthinking, animal types who seem to be satisfied with a purely physical sense of power (the good combat soldier, who gets his sense of power by developing fighting skills that he is quite content to use in blind obedience to his superiors).

44. But for most people it is through the power process — having a goal, making an autonomous effort and attaining the goal — that self-esteem, self-confidence and a sense of power are acquired. When one does not have adequate opportunity to go throughout the power process the consequences are (depending on the individual and on the way the power process is disrupted) boredom, demoralization, low self-esteem, inferiority feelings, defeatism, depression, anxiety, guilt, frustration, hostility, spouse or child abuse, insatiable hedonism, abnormal sexual behavior, sleep disorders, eating disorders, etc.

How some people adjust

77. Not everyone in industrial-technological society suffers from psychological problems. Some people even profess to be quite satisfied with society as it is. We now discuss some of the reasons why people differ so greatly in their response to modern society.

78. First, there doubtless are differences in the strength of the drive for power. Individuals with a weak drive for power may have relatively little need to go through the power process, or at least relatively little need for autonomy in the power process. These are docile types who would have been happy as plantation darkies in the Old South. (We don’t mean to sneer at “plantation darkies” of the Old South. To their credit, most of the slaves were not content with their servitude. We do sneer at people who are content with servitude.)

79. Some people may have some exceptional drive, in pursuing which they satisfy their need for the power process. For example, those who have an unusually strong drive for social status may spend their whole lives climbing the status ladder without ever getting bored with that game.

80. People vary in their susceptibility to advertising and marketing techniques. Some people are so susceptible that, even if they make a great deal of money, they cannot satisfy their constant craving for the shiny new toys that the marketing industry dangles before their eyes. So they always feel hard-pressed financially even if their income is large, and their cravings are frustrated.

81. Some people have low susceptibility to advertising and marketing techniques. These are the people who aren’t interested in money. Material acquisition does not serve their need for the power process.

82. People who have medium susceptibility to advertising and marketing techniques are able to earn enough money to satisfy their craving for goods and services, but only at the cost of serious effort (putting in overtime, taking a second job, earning promotions, etc.) Thus material acquisition serves their need for the power process. But it does not necessarily follow that their need is fully satisfied. They may have insufficient autonomy in the power process (their work may consist of following orders) and some of their drives may be frustrated (e.g., security, aggression) (We are guilty of oversimplification in paragraphs 80–82 because we have assumed that the desire for material acquisition is entirely a creation of the advertising and marketing industry. Of course it’s not that simple).

83. Some people partly satisfy their need for power by identifying themselves with a powerful organization or mass movement. An individual lacking goals or power joins a movement or an organization, adopts its goals as his own, then works toward these goals. When some of the goals are attained, the individual, even though his personal efforts have played only an insignificant part in the attainment of the goals, feels (through his identification with the movement or organization) as if he had gone through the power process. This phenomenon was exploited by the fascists, Nazis and communists. Our society uses it, too, though less crudely. Example: Manuel Noriega was an irritant to the U.S. (goal: punish Noriega). The U.S. invaded Panama (effort) and punished Noriega (attainment of goal). The U.S. went through the power process and many Americans, because of their identification with the U.S., experienced the power process vicariously. Hence the widespread public approval of the Panama invasion; it gave people a sense of power.[15] We see the same phenomenon in armies, corporations, political parties, humanitarian organizations, religious or ideological movements. In particular, leftist movements tend to attract people who are seeking to satisfy their need for power. But for most people identification with a large organization or a mass movement does not fully satisfy the need for power.

84. Another way in which people satisfy their need for the power process is through surrogate activities. As we explained in paragraphs 38–40, a surrogate activity that is directed toward an artificial goal that the individual pursues for the sake of the “fulfillment” that he gets from pursuing the goal, not because he needs to attain the goal itself. For instance, there is no practical motive for building enormous muscles, hitting a little ball into a hole or acquiring a complete series of postage stamps. Yet many people in our society devote themselves with passion to bodybuilding, golf or stamp collecting. Some people are more “other-directed” than others, and therefore will more readily attach importance to a surrogate activity simply because the people around them treat it as important or because society tells them it is important. That is why some people get very serious about essentially trivial activities such as sports, or bridge, or chess, or arcane scholarly pursuits, whereas others who are more clear-sighted never see these things as anything but the surrogate activities that they are, and consequently never attach enough importance to them to satisfy their need for the power process in that way. It only remains to point out that in many cases a person’s way of earning a living is also a surrogate activity. Not a pure surrogate activity, since part of the motive for the activity is to gain the physical necessities and (for some people) social status and the luxuries that advertising makes them want. But many people put into their work far more effort than is necessary to earn whatever money and status they require, and this extra effort constitutes a surrogate activity. This extra effort, together with the emotional investment that accompanies it, is one of the most potent forces acting toward the continual development and perfecting of the system, with negative consequences for individual freedom (see paragraph 131). Especially, for the most creative scientists and engineers, work tends to be largely a surrogate activity. This point is so important that is deserves a separate discussion, which we shall give in a moment (paragraphs 87–92).

85. In this section we have explained how many people in modern society do satisfy their need for the power process to a greater or lesser extent. But we think that for the majority of people the need for the power process is not fully satisfied. In the first place, those who have an insatiable drive for status, or who get firmly “hooked” on a surrogate activity, or who identify strongly enough with a movement or organization to satisfy their need for power in that way, are exceptional personalities. Others are not fully satisfied with surrogate activities or by identification with an organization (see paragraphs 41, 64). In the second place, too much control is imposed by the system through explicit regulation or through socialization, which results in a deficiency of autonomy, and in frustration due to the impossibility of attaining certain goals and the necessity of restraining too many impulses.

86. But even if most people in industrial-technological society were well satisfied, we (FC) would still be opposed to that form of society, because (among other reasons) we consider it demeaning to fulfill one’s need for the power process through surrogate activities or through identification with an organization, rather than through pursuit of real goals.

Algunos posts que veo en BaI respecto a política y economía me parecen bastante... infantiles, supongo. Me carga decir esto porque sueno como el típico comentario de "malditos anarquistas que sólo quieren quemar autos y matar gente", blah blah.

Bah, no sé por qué me ando cuestionando tanto. Después de todo, aquí he visto posts similares a cabros de 14 años diciendo "kill people burn shit fuck school".

Muy papiro; no lei.

>>47
Igual en este hilo no estamos hablando de política si no de por qué trabajamos, que no queremos trabajar ;_; etc.

>>49
Cierto. Supongo que sólo fue >>35 el que me acordó a eso. El trabajo no es malo, sólo tiene muchas falencias.

La vida no puede ser sólo placeres.

>>47
vaya a USA a vivir el sueño americano, estimado capitalista, y dejenos conspirar tranquilos para lograr un mundo anárquico, fraternal y vegetariano

>>51
2edgy4me

>>50
Pero en cambio la vida es solo mierda, las drogas, el sexo, los amigos y el amor son lo mismo que el consumismo solo escapes... la vida en si siempre va a ser como la mierda...

>>53
opiniones

>>53
Por mucha neurociencia que he estudiado prefiero aún creer que la vida vale la pena, cabro.

>>53
Es una novela visual de las peores, tiene todos los generos posibles, y millones de finales distintos, lo mejores gráficos, los mejores sonidos, pero algunas historias son tan mierda...

>>50
Pero si hasta los economistas liberales de la derecha mas neoliberal capitalista del mundo facho parten de la base de que el trabajo es una molestia.

Por algo los weones no trabajan ni producen nada.

>trabajar
No, gracias.

>No hay nada que si me interese, debería ahorcarme...
Yo quería dicusión de esto, donde está
La quiero para ayer y con lindos ARGUMENTOS y diversas OPINIÓNES

haha >>59 queria discussión

>>59
Discusión? en mi VIP?
Hahaha.

No quiero trabajar ;_;

Me compré un tablet para poder neetear desde la cama, sin preocuparme de que el notebook se recaliente, ni tener que ir a buscarlo al closet.

>>63
¿Como te ha resultado? quiero una para leer comics.

Me carga la gente que quiere ser NEET.
Ser NEET es lo peor.

Peor que ser NEET es ser hikikomori.

ser hikki es un camino seguro al suicidio

Yo tengo que ir a la universidad y mantengo las mismas tendencias que cuando era NEET.

Ser NEET es una buena forma de darle un puñetazo figurativo en la cara a los sucios burgueses.