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Mussolini DESTRUYENDO a Gramsci con LÓGICA y HECHOS (11 respuestas)

1 : Crítico despiadado de todo lo existente : 16/03/21(mar)11:52:30 ID:3doyr6du0

GRAMSCI: Fascism has not managed to completely absorb all the parties into its organization. With freemasonry it has employed the political tactic of noyautage, then the terrorist system of burning lodges, and finally it employs legislative action, through which certain persons of the company boards and the high bureaucracy will end up giving in to the masters so as not to lose their jobs, but the fascist government will have to come to a compromise with freemasonry. What do you do when your enemy is strong? First, you break his legs, then you make a compromise from a condition of obvious superiority.

MUSSOLINI: First you break his ribs, then you imprison him, as you have done in Russia! You have taken your prisoners and you hold them, and you need to! [Noises]

GRAMSCI: Taking prisoners means exactly making compromises: thus we say that in reality the law is especially made against workers' organizations. We ask why for many months without the Communist Party being declared illegal, the carabinieri have arrested our comrades every time they find them in a meeting of at least three ...

MUSSOLINI: We are doing what you do in Russia.

GRAMSCI: In Russia there are laws which are obeyed: you have your own laws ...

MUSSOLINI: You have big round-ups? You do well to! [Laughter].

GRAMSCI: In reality the police apparatus of the state already considers the Communist Party a secret organization.

MUSSOLINI: That is not true!

GRAMSCI: In so far as anyone, accused of no specific offence, found in a meeting of three persons, is jailed, just because they are communist.

MUSSOLINI: But they are soon released. How many are in jail? We pick them up just to find out who they are!

GRAMSCI: It is a form of systematic persecution which precedes and will justify the application of the new law. Fascism is adopting the same systems as the government of Giolotti. You are doing as the Giolotti goons did in the Mezzogiorno when they arrested opposition voters ...to find out who they were.

A VOICE: There was only one case of it. You do not know the South.

GRAMSCI: I am from the South!

MUSSOLINI: With respect to electoral violence I remind you of an article by Bordiga which fully justifies it!

GRECO PAOLO: You, Honourable Gramsci, have not read this article.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci/1925/05/speech.htm

2 : : 16/03/21(mar)17:36:40 ID:JV7MJDDV0

>It must be repeated, however, you must hear it until you are sick of it. The revolutionary movement will defeat fascism.
Como me gustaría que esa ultima frase fuera aplicable a la actualidad. Pero bueno, supongo que el fascismo será la moda en el futuro.

3 : : 16/03/21(mar)17:37:45 ID:3doyr6du0

Tragedia y farsa, quién sabe, quizá y hasta este diálogo se acaba repitiendo en el congreso de algún lugar.

4 : : 16/03/21(mar)19:39:16 ID:43rF0XeG0

>MUSSOLINI: With respect to electoral violence I remind you of an article by Bordiga which fully justifies it!
Me cuesta creer que alguien dijera algo así en serio y más aún en esa época.

5 : : 16/03/21(mar)22:11:46 ID:4EqOa1QPa

Seems legit.

6 : Crítico despiadado de todo lo existente : 16/03/21(mar)22:51:14 ID:fV9vQWfp0

>>4
Eso es precisamente lo que hacía a Mussolini tan peligroso en comparación a los fascistas contemporáneos: Mussolini leía. Se sabía al revés y al derecho la teoría socialista y conocía bien a sus enemigos. Sabía cómo torcer sus discursos y antagonizarlos. Desmantelar la retórica de Mussolini era complejo. El fascista contemporáneo es estúpido, lee objetivismo y cree en conspiraciones mundiales ww.

7 : : 17/03/21(mie)01:50:30 ID:MgzHuKZI0

las palabras son inútiles. nadie es más o menos amenaza por saber discutir

8 : : 17/03/21(mie)01:52:22 ID:fLxOvFd90!

Muy cierto, los líderes de cultos solo sacaron un roll suertudo en el juego.

9 : : 17/03/21(mie)09:31:26 ID:lowWWMOS0

>>7
Si fuera cierto lo que dices, entonces el fascismo habría llegado al poder su capacidad teórica y no puramente por la retórica de sus líderes.

10 : : 17/03/21(mie)15:39:14 ID:MgzHuKZI0

falsa dicotomía y non-sequitur. POR NO DECIR el termino "palabras" también incluye lo que vos llamas teoría. lo que importa para llegar al poder es la capacidad (%99.9 material) de llegar al poder

11 : : 17/03/21(mie)15:47:07 ID:MgzHuKZI0

es más, el fascismo nunca llego al poder real, que siempre estuvo en manos del capital
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